Interview: Director Morgan Matthews on “A Brilliant Young Mind”

Posted on September 8, 2015 at 3:54 pm

Morgan Matthews made a documentary about brilliant teenagers competing in the Math Olympiad, many of whom were on the autism spectrum, and that inspired his feature film, “A Brilliant Young Mind,” with “Ender’s Game” and “Hugo” star Asa Butterfield. Sally Hawkins plays his mother and Rafe Spall plays his teacher, once a brilliant young mind himself but now bitter over his struggle with multiple sclerosis. I spoke to Matthews about the film.

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“I was making a series of films about unusual competitions and I had made one film about the world’s taxidermy championships for the BBC which has gone down quite well. I followed people from around the world who were entering their mounted animals into this competition. And so that had picked up some awards and got some attention so BBC and I got together and decided to make a series of films and so I ended up making documentaries about a million-dollar pigeon race, the world hairdressing championships and the world Elvis impersonating championships. They are all quite fun and very good characters but we felt that one of them might go wrong or fall done for whatever reason and so we were looking for a kind of backup subject. The producer I was working with at the time came across the International Mathematical Olympiad and it was really interesting. And I went to meet the wider pool of students who were all competing for a place on the team and their tutors and was just so taken with these wonderful characters and this world that they inhabited which was one that was largely alien to me. Here we had children and young people aged between 13 and 17 who were doing the most extraordinary things. They were all really unique characters in their own right and everyone of them very interesting to talk to. And they were going on this incredible journey. And so I instantly felt there was another film here and I went back to the BBC and showed them some of the footage and they agreed and commissioned it as a separate film actually from the series which became a standalone 90 minute feature-length documentary.”

One of the key moments in the film is when a character says that if you are not gifted then you’re just weird. Matthews says that applies to any teenager — or anyone looking to find their niche. “It doesn’t just apply to the world I experienced during making the documentary with those gifted teenagers. In any kind of discipline or subject whether it’s sport or an academic subject and particularly with young people, they can be the best in their class, they can be the best in their school and then when they get together in these hothouse environments with other children who are sometimes more gifted than them, it can be quite a difficult experience. On one level it can be incredibly enriching for them and actually liberating in the case of the kids on the math squad because for years they have been at school and they might be going to quite high achieving schools but the people around them are operating at a much slower level and even their teachers so it can be quite frustrating for them and then they get together with Olympiad students and all they want to do is math and math at the level that they can operate at. And so it can be a very exciting time for them but it can also be disconcerting because sometimes they are not the best anymore and if you’re not the best then where does that leave you? And I think there were a couple of students who experienced that having been the very best in their class, the very best in their school to suddenly be challenged by the fact that they weren’t the best in that group of students and sometimes even make the team became quite difficult for them. But on the whole I think it’s very enriching experience for those students who went through the competition. There are also clearly especially the time I was making the documentary, a significant number of those students who were on the autistic spectrum and in that environment that was okay. They didn’t experience negative reactions from their peers within the Olympiad environment because they were kind of with kindred spirits with people like them not necessarily the same as them; everyone on the spectrum is very different as well but people who accepted differences on the whole. Although there was one student who was more I suppose noticeably on the spectrum. He was sometimes quite abrasive and rubbed some of the other students up the wrong way and they ended up ostracizing him really and for me that was quite sad to see that a group of students many of whom had experienced bullying themselves and had been ostracized themselves in their normal everyday environments were suddenly doing that one of their own.”

He spoke about making the mathematics in the film real — and expressing the beauty of math — to audiences who would never be able to grasp what the students were doing. “It was very important that the math in the film was correct and because I knew it was being scrutinized by mathematicians,people who know. And there are many examples of films that have a mathematical theme or context where maths is represented in very complex looking equations on blackboards that are actually either gobbledygook or just not relevant to the type of mathematics that those students or those people would be studying and mathematicians pick up on that all the time and get frustrated by it and it kind of blows the illusion of the film, the suspension of disbelief. So it is important for me to have correct math in the film and we involved a mathematics consultant who was one of the original Olympiad students in the documentary. He made sure that everything was correct and came up with interesting problems. But he and I had a bit of a battle sometimes because he had a not so hidden agenda which was to make math in the film accessible to a wider audience. And for me when I experienced the Olympiad, what was amazing about it was here is all of this math which just appeared completely inaccessible and extraordinarily complicated and yet there was these children who were able to do it and that to me was what was so extraordinary. So we had to find a balance of not completely alienating people from the mathematics but also being truthful to the level of mathematics that was being done by these kids and sometimes that was just around language for the kinds of problems that we used. Instead of the necessarily mathematical symbols, they use words to express problems. It is very important to be able to represent this world efficiently, a world which most of us cannot see and that Nathan sees all around him. mathematics is all around him in engineering and everything and in nature. And so he sees this but it also empathizes through his condition, synesthesia where he sees colors in pattern, especially patterns which involve light. And so that beauty is enhanced in points in the film where we see through Nathan’s eyes, the beauty around him and that he’s quite an introverted boy. He is often in this other world looking around him absorbing all of the mathematical patterns around him and I just wanted to be able to represent that so we used color and pattern to give the viewer a sense of that.”

Butterfield’s character is based on a real competitor in the Olympiad. “Asa was able to meet Daniel and Daniel was able to articulate. He is an interesting boy, Daniel, well, a young man now. He doesn’t think he is a very good communicator and that makes him very shy but actually if you spend time with him in a room and sit down for a few hours he’s able to articulate his experience brilliantly and what goes on inside his head. He will explain that he doesn’t know what to do with his face and he doesn’t know how to read the facial expressions of other people and the stress of trying to work that out becomes so overwhelming that he will avoid communication altogether. And so he was able to explain things like that to Asa which helped him form Asa’s performance. So even though Asa doesn’t say very much as Nathan he knows what’s going on inside of his head and I think that’s really helpful but he does have those wonderfully expressive eyes as well and that was also really I think central to his performance, that he was able to convey so much through them and that he is just so endearing in that way.”

Matthews used music very effectively to help tell the story, too. “It’s cathartic and it draws out the emotion. There were characters in the film who aren’t necessarily able to tell you how they feel. I think the music helps us with that.” Especially meaningful was the use of music by Keaton Henson, who “has terrible stage fright and he is unable to perform in public most of the times so he rarely ever does very small shows. And I met him and there was something about him being quite an introvert and shy person that just was in keeping with Nathan’s character. But when he sings, when he plays, these beautiful and very emotional songs come out and that just seems very appropriate to me.”

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Interview: Writer-Director Todd Graff of ‘Joyful Noise’

Interview: Writer-Director Todd Graff of ‘Joyful Noise’

Posted on January 11, 2012 at 8:00 am

I love Todd Graff’s first two films, Camp and Bandslam.  Both were fresh and warm-hearted stories about teenagers who are passionate about music and performing, inspired by his own experiences as a theater-mad kid.  His new film, “Joyful Noise,” has Dolly Parton and Queen Latifah as warring gospel choir leaders, and again he deftly manages to make the audience care about a group of exceptionally appealing characters and fills the theater with heart-lifting musical numbers.  It was a real pleasure to talk with him about growing up listening to his mother rehearsing the Hadassah choir in his home and his surprise homemade gift from Ms. Parton.

The closing credits of the film pay tribute to your mother’s work as a choir leader for the Jewish women’s group Hadassah.

It may seem strange, but Queen Latifah’s character is really based on my mother.

Not strange at all!  I think this is her all-time best performance, and I loved the scene where she tells her teenage daughter a few things about what beauty means. 

When Dana signed on to do the movie, I had not even written that scene yet.  After she joined, I said, “I want to see Dana do what Dana does!” And that’s when I wrote that scene.

Tell me more about your mother.

My mom was an amazing woman.  She was a housewife but she had a degree in music and taught piano.

She was a singer and a choirmaster and a community activist.  She was always down in the basement at the mimeograph machine running off handbills to hand out.  I would wake up and there would be a blind child there and she would say, “You should hang out.”  She just thought he could use a friend.  The bad thing is that it’s a lot to live up to.  One of the things she did was she had these ladies in the choir over to the house twice a week, Tuesdays and Thursdays for my whole childhood, and she was really tough on them.  For an amateur choir, where the most they would do was perform in a nursing home, she still treated them like professionals.  The line in the movie where Queen Latifah’s character says, “You have to look at me because Jesus doesn’t know where the cut-offs are” — that is my mom.  She’d say, “I’m thrilled that you’re into it but God doesn’t know where the cut-offs are.”  I couldn’t get her voice out of my head and this movie really took shape around that voice.

This is your third film in a row featuring teenagers.  What is it that appeals to you about featuring kids that age?

In all honesty, it just started out, as so much of my life, as fear-based.  They wouldn’t know if I knew what I was doing or not.  My first movie none of the kids had even been in a movie before so I thought I was safe.  I seem to have enough of an arrested maturity level that we could communicate well and those stories interested me.

Tell me how you go about casting a film like this.

In my movies, you have to sing and dance so I won’t read anyone until after the choreographer has winnowed down the people who audition to the ones who can dance and musically we have narrowed it down to the ones who can handle the singing.  So that gets rid of two-thirds.  Of that last third, even though I’m a big rehearsal guy and we rehearsed for a month on this, you don’t have a lot of time.  I don’t have the time to break kids of entrenched bad habits.  So I look for kids who are as natural as I can find while still having some degree of chops.  They have to be directable.  Because it is a musical and the musical numbers take up a big chunk of time that non-musical movies don’t have to worry about, I can’t just have the kid that you discover and has a quality but hasn’t done anything before.  I want someone who is honest and true and real but can hit a mark and stay in their light and talk to another actor believably.

The music in the movie, as in any religious setting, is half worship and half performance.

It’s a changing world and the influence of secular music and other forms of expression in sacred music is where we are now.  I did a ton of research and I would see huge gospel competitions in 18,000 seat arenas sold out.  There was praise dancing and stand-up comics did religious themed material.  There still is old-school traditional gospel and there will always be.  But I was interested in a character who introduces the concept of change with a character who has to feel in control of everything because she feels if she lets one ball drop everything is going to fall apart.  As it is, she’s treading water right up to her nostrils.  So this is the last straw.  She feels: “If you’re going to change what I do in church on top of everything else, I’m not going to be able to take it.”

Queen Latifah’s character has a son on the autism spectrum.  What led you to include that kind of disability in the film?

Autism is an umbrella term and a broad spectrum.  This version of Asperger’s is about the inability to understand social cues and so it makes contact difficult, difficult to connect with the community and with family even.  He won’t even allow his mother to hug him, even his father in the big emotional moment of the movie, dad can’t hug him.  That is very dramatic to me and germane to the stuff the movie is trying to talk about.

 

You worked with two very different ladies in this film.  What was it like to direct Queen Latifah and Dolly Parton?

Not as different as you might imagine!  But of course Dolly is her own special creation.  God bless her, I worship the ground she teeters on in those eight inch heels.  Precious!  She gets up an hour early no matter what time her call is and she cooks breakfast for everybody — pancakes, grits, eggs.  I would have a Hershey bar in the afternoon when my energy was down.  She came in one morning with four pounds of fudge in Tupperware she stayed up all night making.  She said, “I know you like your chocolate but I don’t want you eating that junk!  This is made with real milk and real butter and a whole lot of love and if you finish this, I’ll make you some more.”  She is real.  And Dana is also incredibly generous as an actor, as a person, kind to the extras and the crew.  She and Dolly had a love-fest.  They were a joy. They’re both real church girls, so they share that.  They both wanted to make a movie that uplifted people and touched people.  They saw it from the beginning as more than a comedy piece — it was really important to them that the message be evident.

We had no drama, no complications all through the movie and post-production.  It was almost too good to be true.  And then the tragic thing is that after it was all over Joe Farrell died.  Really really terrible and sad.

And Dolly Parton wrote some of the songs in the movie?

She wrote three songs for the film.  She would write them and send them to me with very elaborate demos, full orchestration.  And I would say to her, “This is great but for the scene in the movie you’ve written a song in 2 and I need one in 4 and you have a walking bass line and I need –” and she would say, “Honey, I don’t know what you’re talking about.”  She can play 12 instruments but she can’t read music.  She would say, “If you don’t like it, I’ll write another one.  It only takes me an hour.”  I’d say, “Why don’t we just fix this one?”  She said, “No, I’ll write another one.” She ended up writing 12 songs and said she would use all the other ones somewhere else.

What was your biggest challenge?

The big concert sequence because I only had four days to film three musical numbers with all the extras and all the backstage scenes, the cafeteria stuff, and kids who can’t work full hours.  There is not a single real choir in the movie.  I cast all those people and put them together.  Mervyn Warren and I turned them into choirs.

Why is choir music so moving?

Someone said that one star is just a star but many stars is a constellation.  You can’t harmonize by yourself.  When you can be part of a whole that creates such a gorgeous, layered, powerful, communal experience you are part of something that makes you feel more connected to the world and less alone.

 

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